Wouldn't you know it?? We have been fed chemicals through our food for years, and just now the lab rats are overweight??
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Isn't nice to learn that we aren't the only race on this planet having weight issues? Stop putting all those nasty chemicals in our food!!!
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Stop buying all that food with the "nasty chemicals" and the problem will take care of itself.
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The authors of the new paper say that many lab rats may be overweight (theirs weighed up to two pounds, or twice what they should). Laugh if you want, but that's a real problem for science. Researchers are supposed to ensure that their animal models are as closely analogous to the average human as possible
Sounds like for the the most part they are, at least judging from the crowd at the local Walmart.
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lol I wonder how much a rat has to eat to weigh 2 pounds? Sounds like a good meal for you Desert Rattler!! lol
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Thanks anyway, but I don't think that mama rattler and papa sidewinder want to swallow those genes, wouldn't be good for us slithering forward.
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I had a cat named Sidewinder! I called him Windybutt (I has long I sound. lol)!
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This would be hilarious if it weren't so serious. I could write a book on rats, particularly their diets and exercise vs. genetics. Having bred thousands of rats just for pets and show, I can tell you that most rats are actually about a pound to 20 ounces in weight, with males being perhaps another 8 ounces greater (but male rats are naturally larger than the females). Toward the end of my involvement with rat-breeding, a new "type" was officially added to the show standard: the Jumbo. A true Jumbo weighed at least 2 pounds, but there was another requirement: the weight had to be a function of overall size, not just rolls of fat on an otherwise-normally-sized animal.
In the years that I bred rats, I ran into the occasional strain that was genetically obese. Actually, it was more of a mutation within a normal-sized strain, but I stumbled upon it by accident, when I had a pair of white rats that had a litter, one individual of which just got huge. I tried to put him on a diet, but that's really impossible unless you separate him from the colony. Nevertheless, I tried. I changed the diet of the entire cage, and, lo and behold, all the other rats remained unchanged while the fat one just lost ... fur.
Yes: fur. It may have been just one sampling, hardly scientific, but the conclusion I drew after returning the cage to the normal diet, was that the fatty used his limited caloric intake to be converted to fat, and with no calories left over for anything else, he had to sacrifice fur. Upon return to his normal diet his fur came back, too. It wasn't a happy ending, though. He died young of a heart attack. And there really was nothing I could have done. I couldn't have predicted the outcome.
Then there was Sparky. A friend had bred a litter of Champagne rats, and was all excited that they were huge, for babies. But there was one she just had to show me, so when they were weanable, she brought the litter over, and didn't have to point out the one that was huge: he was three times the size of his siblings! I fell in love, and she graciously gave him to me, and I named him Sparky.
At that time, there was a "Jumbo" ratty in the crowd we had, named "Squiggy." a genuine prize-winning show rat in the Jumbo category. Squiggy was huge, and weighed in at about 2 1/2 pounds at the time of his success as a show rat.
So, here comes Sparky, less than 30 days old and already approaching 10 ounces. In six months, with Squiggy a shade under 3 pounds, Sparky weighed in at exactly three pounds. There was a difference, though. Sparky wasn't a Jumbo. Sparky was fat. He was sweet, he was fat, and I knew his life would be cut short. He wasn't a part of a colony, so we did feed him as lean a diet as we could, but Sparky had simply inherited fat genes. He had a heart attack and died at the age of 1 1/2 years.
Obesity, regardless of species, is a problem compounded by stigma. Slim people see obese people and automatically ascribe the problem to laziness and over-indulgence in food, and science isn't much help. Science is determined to find a cause that would agree with common thought, but I'm betting that genetics plays more of a role than anyone wants to admit. Why? Because we all need a scapegoat, someone we can point at and make fun of without feeling guilty for doing so. Not all of us, for sure, but enough. Look at what Hollywood and the fashion industries are shoving down people's throats: anorexic skeletal wonders... we don't even know what qualifies as "normal" any longer. But, if Science would focus on genetic causes for obesity, here is one area where gene-therapy might actually make a huge difference.
Ooops... off the soapbox. Great article, Madame Snake.
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Well, well, well!! Another intelligent member in the house, welcome to mama rattler's pit. I swallowed up your very enlightening research, and am better educated for your first-hand knowledge about rats.
Look at what Hollywood and the fashion industries are shoving down people's throats: anorexic skeletal wonders... we don't even know what qualifies as "normal" any longer. But, if Science would focus on genetic causes for obesity, here is one area where gene-therapy might actually make a huge difference.
The industry has been doing this since before television became fashionable. I can remember reading Reader's Digest, Saturday Evening Post magazine, Life magazine, even in the Montgomery Ward catalogs, with clothing and cosmetics that you should be buying and wearing. All shown on paper doll thin people. Even the cut-out paper dolls were thin.
It has mushroomed to what it is today, and so have their profits. They concentrate on the female gender in an effort to keep their self-esteem low, feeling guilty if they gain a few pounds, and to keep us brainwashed. How stupid of the female gender to keep feeding into their brainwashing. WE ARE THEIR MONEY MACHINE!!!!
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#4.1: How stupid of the female gender to keep feeding into their brainwashing. WE ARE THEIR MONEY MACHINE!!!!
Sad, but true. It's going to take a whole lot of societal enlightenment before this will change. If it ever does. People really want to believe that obese people are slovenly, lazy overeaters, even when the preponderance of the evidence points to genetic causes. It doesn't help that the processed foods being shoved down our collective throats is fattening by its very nature. Anyway, what I saw in my rats clearly points to some genetic influence. Rats don't watch TV and I've never seen a skinny female rat modeling anything. And if researchers want to use rats as stand-ins for humans, then perhaps it's time they listened to those rats. They are silently screaming at stupid humans to look at what is really there, instead of what silly humans want to believe is there...
Your article is telling me something I have suspected for years. Let's hope someone pays attention.
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#4.3 bitemore--thank you for the nice words. Thumbs up!!! We're ahead already because those of us that read the article and comments become the enlightened. I've thought of writing an article before on this subject, but couldn't find the evidence needed to back up what I would have said. So glad to find this article, don't have to put up with all the trolls, etc. Hope those that read this spread the information around, word of mouth goes a long way.
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#4.4: I've thought of writing an article before on this subject, but couldn't find the evidence needed to back up what I would have said.
Well, maybe it's now time for that article. I think you'll do a great job on it!
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The dismal lack of any really significant lack of really universally effective human weight control options - excluding those that don't addict us or kill us quickly - is a long term "hint" that human weight control is a complex and individual process almost certainly influenced by genetics.
When I reviewed the subject recently, saw not one realistic drug choice with any significant (in my own opinion) performance, and also see the myriad of books on the subject published each year, and the mass media advertisements constantly bombarding us, I see this as a major indicator that obesity is a huge "cash cow" for an entire industry, to include medicine.
And, since there are many, many different types of metabolic variants, trying to stay healthy and/or lose weight is almost a "Rubic's cube" for individuals to try to solve.
We really, really need some kind of "genetic analysis" so we can learn about our individual bodies needs and how to address various issues like weight control effectively on an individual basis.
But the potential for misuse of that individual genetic information is so huge, I almost shudder to think how it will be abused by those that have abused us all for so long already.....
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We really, really need some kind of "genetic analysis" so we can learn about our individual bodies needs and how to address various issues like weight control effectively on an individual basis.
But the potential for misuse of that individual genetic information is so huge, I almost shudder to think how it will be abused by those that have abused us all for so long already.....
I am in agreement with you about genetic analysis of one's bodily needs. I really don't think that it will ever happen. Why should they??? It would not be beneficial to corporate America, nor CEO's bonuses. The food industry profits would suffer, the medical and insurance industries would take a big hit. It would only help mankind.
As far was the mad scientists of this planet, I really don't want them messing with Mother Nature, they have already created cloning. Nightmare Zombies, no thanks!!!!
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